I received this from John R. Carpenter and thought some of you might be interested to know more about what is going on with the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project.
: Joseph W. Carpenter
: Albuquerque, NM
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Subject: Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project Newsletter - July 2007
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 19:33:49 -0500
From: John R. Carpenter
29 Jul 2007
Hello,
The Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project is an all volunteer DNA project. We have tried to take a complex subject, explain it with the results we have obtained in a reasonable and readable format.
The International Society of Genetic Genealogy or ISOGG and FamilyTree DNA has given our Y-DNA Project some of the highest marks possible. Our project has been mentioned in numerous genetic genealogy talks as an example of a good surname project. It has been reviewed by organizations and chapters of the Daughters of the American Revolution (DAR) and its sibling, the Sons of the American Revolution (SAR) as a good example of what a surname project can do.
We have two outstanding co-administrators for our project.
I think we have been very lucky to obtain the services of John F. Chandler, Physicist, whose good wife was born a Carpenter, as our DNA guru. He has taken a basic web page that I set up and made it into the outstanding one we have today. He has written articles for the ?Journal of Genetic Genealogy.? I will not say much about his work in ?experimental tests of general relativity, planetary ephemerides; interplanetary radar ranging; astrometric optical interferometry?, since it gives me a headache just thinking about it.
We also have the services of Terry Lee Carpenter, Major USAF, who is our Southern Carpenter expert. Terry has an excellent genealogical and disciplined mind that took disorder and organized the southern Carpenter lines. This he has done so that others may benefit by his different articles and booklets on Carpenters. I can not say much about his USAF work other than the old joke, ?If I told you, I would have to kill you.?
These two are the backbone of the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project and are co-administrators. They keep it real and are very patient in explaining things to us.
Let me stress again, ?No one is paid for working on this project; all are volunteers.?
Our project is dependent on long range goals of people to willingly submit their Y-DNA in hoping to match a known group to confirm or to focus their genealogical research into a particular area of the Carpenter family.
Some wait for years before there is a match. Our first Group Administrator, now Titular, Jim Carpenter is one of them. Since September of 2002 he has never had a Carpenter Y-DNA match than those of his own immediate relatives that he has tested. He was the first member of the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project.
OUR ?project will grow as members encourage other Carpenters to submit their Y-DNA. There are many Carpenter lines yet to be documented and linked.?
Because of recent comments, some explanations regarding the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project may be in order.
First:
The main focus since 2003 has been the 25 DYS marker FamilyTree DNA or FTDNA test. We get this test at a group discount. Table 1 is our original results table. It has the first 25 markers from FTDNA. This test is what we recommend to all members participating in our project.
Over the years we have picked up members who did not test with FTDNA. Several have come from Sorenson Molecular Genealogy or SMGF and also from YSEARCH. SMGF uses some of the same and some different DYS markers which lead to the creation of Table 2. Table 2 also supports the additional 26-37 markers later provided by FTDNA. Hint, 26 to 37 on the left is mainly FTDNA and SMGF is mainly on the right on Table 2.
Table 3 has some overlap or duplicate DYS markers when compared to Table 2. Why? Because FTDNA brought out the newer 38-67 marker Y-DNA test. Again, it overlaps with some of the SMGF markers and Table 3 shows the FTDNA marker format.
Under the ?Results? section is:
?To allow viewing these results, without side-to-side scrolling, they are divided into separate tables. Table 1 gives the loci included in FTDNA's 25-locus test (the recommended test for this project). Since most participants have followed the recommendation and tested at least to this level, Table 1 is almost completely filled in. Table 2 gives the loci included in two kinds of extensions to the recommended test: first, loci 26-37 available from FTDNA and, second, eleven more offered by SMGF or Relative Genetics. Table 3 gives yet another extension: loci 38-67 from FTDNA, which include two of the Sorenson loci shown in Table 2. For ease of comparison, the results for these two loci are displayed in both tables.?
Each ID number on the different results tables are linked, when provided, to
For those interested in the most current results directly from FTDNA, we have the following comment below Table 3:
?Note: if your results have been reported to you by FTDNA, but do not appear in the above tables, they presumably were obtained since this web page was last updated. To see the very latest results, you may visit our alternate web page, which is maintained by FTDNA and always has the latest results. Unfortunately, this FTDNA page is rather slow to load and omits the results that were obtained from other sources (currently, about 15 haplotypes).?
The hyperlink to the alternate web page is:
http://www.ftdna.com/public/carpenter%20cousins%20%20dna
Second:
About 29% of the 160 odd members of our project are in Groups 2 & 3 who match 24/25. Groups 2 & 3 represent the Providence & the Rehoboth branches of the New England Carpenter family who immigrated to America in the 1630s.
?Groups 2 and 3 are so similar that they were at first thrown in together as one group. Even now, the separation between them is subtle, and so both groups are discussed together here. For the time being, the distinction is based on locus DYS464d, which is 16 for Group 2 and 17 for Group 3.?
Interestingly enough, about 29% of members (Groups 98 & 99) do not match anyone in the Carpenter Y-DNA project. A few days ago Group 18 became a new group because of a new member matched some one who had taken their Y-DNA test years ago. Our 18 organized groups (two or more matches or similarities in Y-DNA) represent about 62% of our project.
Many members who thought they would be in one group wind up in another group. Why? It is because of the diversity in names, changes in names, occupations, formal and informal adoptions and many other unknown factors in the ?Great melting pot? of the surname Carpenter and its related surnames like Zimmerman. To put in bluntly, not all genealogies are as accurate as we think from a genetic viewpoint.
It would be a great disservice to all Carpenter Cousins to balkanize or fragment this surname project. It is still new and many more members are needed. Only by seeing the whole can we see the forest from the trees.
Ask yourself this question, ?Have you submitted your Y-DNA?? Or ask yourself this question, ?Do I have a living male Carpenter relative that I can get a Y-DNA sample from??
If you have suggestions for the Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project web page or comments, please let me know.
Sincerely,
John R. Carpenter,
Carpenter Cousins Group Administrator
Please join our Carpenter Cousins Y-DNA Project at:
http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=S82066
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